Conversation Log 20210121
What to talk about in the internal study group and the demo. Since there are two topics at the beginning, one of them was delved into.
I had imagined a one-way connection from the chat system to Regroup, but when asked how Regroup would affect the chat system, I realized I had made a one-way assumption.
In the past, I had imagined integrating the chat system and Regroup and using them at the same time, but thought it would be inconvenient. This time, having verbalized the image of using the chat system with a smartphone, I noticed a new implementation pattern: "I call the chat system from Regroup, take it with me, go for a walk, and when I return, the conversation is added to the map. This one seems useful.
This log is the longest one on record. It might have been better to change the topic in the middle and start it separately. I added "New Talk" to the menu, which was not there at that time. You can start a new conversation in a separate tab.
nisbot.iconWhat would you like to see happen in this conversation?
nishio.iconI'm hoping to get organized for what I'm going to talk about at tomorrow's in-house study session. Also, I'm talking on my phone while taking this walk, so it's also a demonstration of how to use it.
nisbot.iconWhat type of demo is that?
nishio.iconIt's hard for someone who is not familiar with it to understand how to use it just by reading the manual, unless I, the person most familiar with it, show them how to use it beneficially.
nisbot.iconWhat type of usage is that usage?
nishio.iconIt's not enough to just explain how to operate the system; it's also important to know when you're using it, for what purpose, and in what situation.
nisbot.iconWhat type of situation is the situation?
nishio.iconNow, I'd say, "Take a walk."
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I'm hoping to get organized on what I'm going to talk about at tomorrow's internal study session. Also, I'm talking on my phone while taking this walk, so it's also a demonstration of how to use it.
Is there anything else you would like to share about this demonstration?
nishio.iconThis is not a demonstration of the chat system only. Well, the chat system could not be shown because it has existed as a closed chat bot until now. The important part this time is the connection between chat and Regroup.
nisbot.iconWhere is that demonstration?
nishio.iconChat with them, export it, put it in Regroup, and organize it.
nisbot.iconWhat type of Regroup is that?
nishio.iconA tool to promote mental organization by arranging pieces of information in two dimensions
nisbot.iconWhat type of fragments are those?
nishio.iconIn this case, the chat is a bit too granular to organize after the fact, so it's better to chop it up into smaller pieces and then organize them.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about that fragment?
nishio.iconNot too small, too small for common keyword extraction, and what we're going to talk about in this study session includes support for division into those stickies.
nisbot.iconWhat is it that you value?
nishio.iconSo far, I have felt that the chat system by itself is effective and effective for Regroup, but I think that combining these two systems will create a better effect.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else about that Regroup?
nishio.iconIt was not effective until a certain number of fragments were collected. It was difficult for people who were not used to creating such fragments. So, we decided to support the collection of fragments by having the sentences spit out in the form of chat and automatically dividing them into stickies.
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So far, I have felt that the chat system by itself is effective and effective for the Regroup, but I think that combining the two will create a better effect.
Where is this Regroup located?
nishio.iconIt has existed independently until now, but the new direction is positioned as "use the chat system first, and then the Regroup".
nisbot.iconWhere is that Regroup located?
nishio.iconNG
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It existed independently until now, but the new direction is positioned as "use the chat system first, and then Regroup".
What does this Regroup look like?
nishio.iconConsultants who first elicit enough information from the other party and then organize it on a whiteboard.
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It existed independently until now, but the new direction is positioned as "use the chat system first, and then Regroup".
Where does this Regroup come from?
nishio.iconFrom where...I can use my phone to chat while walking or whatever, but I need a big screen to organize, and that's hard to do while walking. It's like chatting while walking and venting, and then when I get home, I can calm down and start organizing.
nisbot.iconWhat type of chat is that?
nishio.iconMoving the human perspective by asking questions
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It existed independently until now, but the new direction is positioned as "use the chat system first, and then Regroup".
How do you know this Regroup?
nishio.iconWell, that's because I am the author. If I want many people to know about it, it still needs to be easy to understand how to use.
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It existed independently until now, but the new direction is positioned as "use the chat system first, and then Regroup".
What should happen with this Regroup?
nishio.iconI hope people who use it find it useful.
nisbot.iconWhat needs to happen to the Regroup for that to happen?
nishio.iconIs it necessary to communicate the flow of usage in such a way that it is useful?
nisbot.iconCan Regroup do that?
nishio.iconIt was quite difficult for Regroup by itself, so we connected it to the chat this time.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else about that chat?
nishio.iconThat's right, in the process of making the web version, I had to turn off various functions, and there were things that I wanted to improve but left out because the code was too complicated.
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It existed independently until now, but the new direction is positioned as "use the chat system first, and then Regroup".
What is the relationship between this Regroup and the chat?
nishio.iconIt's a heavy tool to start, so I feel like I'm getting traction with a tool that's easy to start: chat.
nisbot.iconWhere is that chat?
nishio.iconI'm assuming it's primarily a smartphone.
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It existed independently until now, but the new direction is positioned as "use the chat system first, and then Regroup".
Is this Regroup the same as chat? Is it different?
nishio.iconNo, sir.
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It existed independently until now, but the new direction is positioned as "use the chat system first, and then Regroup".
What happens in the chat when this Regroup?
nishio.iconAh, what kind of changes to the chat would there be due to factors on Regroup's part? I hadn't thought about that. At least the logs I'm outputting now were hard to use with Regroup as is, so I'll tweak them a bit; Regroup is a heavy tool, so I don't want to make it mandatory to use Regroup, chat has to be able to provide value with chat alone.
nisbot.iconWhat happens to the Regroup during that chat?
nishio.iconOh, yes, there was some talk about wanting to organize the results of multiple chats together, or having Regroup next to you in real time when you are chatting. It would be nice to call up a chat from the Regroup, talk while walking around, and when you return, a sticky of the conversation will be added to the map. Integration not real-time.
nisbot.iconWhat is between that Regroup and the chat?
nishio.iconThere is a sticky note division support algorithm. That is one of the key points of this project. Chat messages often contain useless words if they are resized appropriately as stickies. Therefore, it is necessary to chop them into appropriate sizes and remove useless words. This is what we did this time.
nisbot.iconWhere is that chat located?
nishio.iconI'd like to see more in-depth discussion of the sticky split support algorithm. Maybe we can chat separately...
nisbot.iconWhat is that chat like?
nishio.iconIn short, this chat system tries to delve into a single topic, so when a user finishes talking about one topic and tries to delve into another, he/she does not understand it and sticks to the previous topic. Well, there may be unexpected connections between what the user thinks are different topics. Chat is like a person who listens and is like a hook that catches what is in the water.
nisbot.iconWhere does that chat come from?
nishio.iconIf you mean how users will discover this chat, a few people have expressed interest on Facebook now, so I think I should introduce it as a beta test. If the number of users increases too rapidly, my capacity will be overflowed.
nisbot.iconHow do you know its a chat?
nishio.iconOh, you're talking about how we came to know this one. Where it comes from is that originally it was a method called symbolic modeling, which was done by humans and was expensive, so they reduced the functionality and made it electronic.
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If you mean how users will discover this chat, a few people have expressed interest on Facebook now, so I think I should introduce it as a beta test. If the number of users increases too rapidly, my capacity will be overflowed.
What do you hope will happen in this chat?
nishio.iconIt's not ready now, but after the learning data collection mechanism is in place, it will learn and become smarter as users use it a lot.
nisbot.iconWhat needs to happen to the chat for that to happen?
nishio.iconOne of the features I'm temporarily turning off right now is the storage of training data, which needs to be restarted.
nisbot.iconCan chat do that?
nishio.iconWell, I'll do it.
nisbot.iconWhat is the relationship between me and Regroup?
nishio.iconAuthor.
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Oh, yes, there was some talk about wanting to organize the results of multiple chats together, or having Regroup next to you in real time when you are chatting. It would be nice to call up the chat from the Regroup, talk while walking around, and when you return, a sticky of the conversation will be added to the map. Integration not real-time.
What is the relationship between this Regroup and the sticky note?
nishio.iconSticky note is a unit of information transfer on Regroup
nisbot.iconIs that Regroup the same as a sticky note? Is it different?
nishio.iconDifferent. Components
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Sticky note is a unit of information movement on Regroup
What happens to the stickies during this Regroup?
nishio.iconRegroup I used to do this with paper stickies, but it was inconvenient, so I went electronic. One good thing about going electronic is that I can make a big sticky with 2 clicks, and I can duplicate and back it up.
nisbot.iconWhat kind of sticky notes are those?
nishio.iconElectronic, square area with short text
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RegroupI used to do this with paper stickies, but it was inconvenient, so I went electronic. One nice thing about going electronic is that I can make a big sticky with 2 clicks, and I can duplicate and back it up.
What happens to the Regroup at the time of this sticky?
nishio.iconLarger stickies are good to make it clear at a glance that it is important
nisbot.iconIs there anything else about those stickies?
nishio.iconI would like to talk about an algorithm to create these stickies from chat statements.
nisbot.iconWhat is the relationship between that chat and the sticky note?
nishio.iconWhen you reply to a chat like this, the text is inscribed and becomes a sticky note.
nisbot.iconWhere is that sticky note?
nishio.iconIn Regroup.
nisbot.iconWhat is between that Regroup and the sticky note?
nishio.iconThat's quite a philosophical question... hmmm, I don't know.
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When you reply to a chat like this, the text is inscribed and becomes a sticky note.
Is this chat the same as a sticky note? Is it different?
nishio.iconChat is too long a sentence, so chop it up.
nisbot.iconWhat happens to the stickies during that chat?
nishio.iconMore and more are being generated.
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When you reply to a chat like this, the text is inscribed and becomes a sticky note.
What happens in the chat when this sticky?
nishio.iconThe stickies are currently only seen by the user after the chat is over, so there is no influence from the stickies to the chat. Of course, there is the idea of displaying them beside the chat, but this chat system is effective by focusing the user's attention by asking questions, so displaying them in a distracting manner would be ineffective.
nisbot.iconWhat is between that chat and the sticky note?
nishio.iconAlgorithm to morphologically analyze chat sentences and repeatedly split them up if they are too long
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The stickies are currently only seen by the user after the chat is over, so there is no influence from the stickies to the chat. Well, of course, there is the idea of displaying them beside the chat, but this chat system is effective by focusing people's attention by asking questions, so displaying them in a way that distracts them will make them less effective.
Where are these stickies located?
nishio.iconThey show up after the chat is over.
nisbot.iconWhat is the relationship between that chat and the chat system?
nishio.iconsame
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The stickies are currently only seen by the user after the chat is over, so there is no influence from the stickies to the chat. Well, of course, there is the idea of displaying them beside the chat, but this chat system is effective by focusing people's attention by asking questions, so displaying them in a way that distracts them will make them less effective.
What do these stickies look like?
nishio.iconI answered that they are the same, but the individual chats and the system for them are different? Even though the stickies may appear after the individual chats are over, the chat system can still capture the contents of the stickies and utilize them for the next individual chat.
nisbot.iconWhere do those stickies come from?
nishio.iconSo, what those stickies look like are fragmented memories of past dialogues. They come from past dialogues. If there is a statement in the current dialogue that matches the past sticky, the chat system can make associations by following the "proximity relationship" created by moving the sticky on the Regroup. The current chat system can display a quotation and ask a question like, "You said this in the previous dialogue, is this ~ and this ~ the same thing?" You can ask questions like.
nisbot.iconHow do you know its sticky note?
nishio.iconYes, this is important. Stickies from the past are often forgotten, but the chat system reminds us.
nisbot.iconWhat should happen to that sticky?
nishio.iconI hope it's the start of an unexpected inspiration.
nisbot.iconWhat needs to happen to the stickies for that to happen?
nishio.iconIt's important to see it again in time.
nisbot.iconCan stickies do that?
nishio.iconWe can't do paper stickies, we can't do current Regroups, we can present past stickies here if interacting with this chat system is a daily interface with humans. There may be times when this is beneficial to the user and times when it is not. No one has experienced it yet, so I can't judge if it's good or bad.
nisbot.iconIs that chat system the same as chat? Is it different?
nishio.iconYes, this is actually something different, which is an important realization this time around. Individual chats are for individual purposes, and in the version before this port, each new start lost past memories. It was still beneficial, but with this modification, especially to make the logs persistent in case they were to be shown to others, it is now possible to have persistent memories. So, now that each user has a persistent memory, they'll gradually figure out my vocabulary and stuff and pull up what I've said in the past.
nisbot.iconWhat happens to the chat system during that chat?
nishio.iconNew memories will be added to the chat system. I'm thinking we could include past blog posts, tweets, and writings, not just chats.
nisbot.iconWhat happens in the chat when its a chat system?
nishio.iconIndividual chats will help you remember the past.
nisbot.iconWhat is between that chat and the chat system?
nishio.iconThere is an exchange of memories.
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New memories will be added to the chat system. I'm thinking we could include past blog posts, tweets, and writings, not just chats.
What is the relationship between this chat system and stickies?
nishio.iconNot all words that appear in the chat are valuable, so some are discarded when they are organized as stickies, while others are made into large stickies.
nisbot.iconIs that sticky the same as the chat system? Is it different?
nishio.iconYou're right, this is something else.
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New memories will be added to the chat system. I'm thinking we could include past blog posts, tweets, and writings, not just chats.
What happens to the stickies during this chat system?
nishio.iconHmmm, on the sticky side? Can't think of that one right now.
nisbot.iconWhat happens to the chat system when its sticky?
nishio.iconThe chat system can learn what pieces of past conversations the user thought were important or relevant concepts.
nisbot.iconWhat type of chat system is that?
nishio.iconI've diverged a lot, so I'll end this.
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The chat system can learn what pieces of past conversations the user thought were important or relevant concepts.
What is the connection between this chat system and stickies?
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